Jan. 2, 2018, 4:09 a.m.admin : are you a programmer?
Jan. 2, 2018, 4:10 a.m.thenanyu : I program -- very hard to categorize myself these days
Jan. 2, 2018, 4:10 a.m.thenanyu : I ran a team for 5 years and I just started writing code again
Jan. 2, 2018, 4:10 a.m.admin : do you have an idea you want to explore or are looking for one?
Jan. 2, 2018, 4:11 a.m.thenanyu : looking for one, all my ideas are lame (I feel)
Jan. 2, 2018, 4:11 a.m.thenanyu : I always wished HN would have a live chat section
Jan. 2, 2018, 4:11 a.m.admin : share some of your ideas here, maybe I can give you some feedback
Jan. 2, 2018, 4:12 a.m.admin : "I always wished HN would have a live chat section" , I hope to make this the chat room of choice for hn users :)
Jan. 2, 2018, 4:13 a.m.admin : a long way to go before that happens
Jan. 2, 2018, 4:13 a.m.thenanyu : I never liked semi-public slack teams
Jan. 2, 2018, 4:14 a.m.thenanyu : too hard to pop in and out
Jan. 2, 2018, 4:15 a.m.admin : can you expand on what else you don't like about semi-public slack teams? and what would you want to see in an alternative?
Jan. 2, 2018, 4:15 a.m.thenanyu : they either become attention sinks, or you quickly lose context
Jan. 2, 2018, 4:15 a.m.thenanyu : there's no jumping off point to hop into a conversation or discussion
Jan. 2, 2018, 4:16 a.m.thenanyu : HN articles are a good entry point, since there's a lot of churn and new threads are constantly starting
Jan. 2, 2018, 4:17 a.m.thenanyu : I kind of like the idea behind spectrum (https://spectrum.chat/) but it's also too rooted in the Slack / IRC concept
Jan. 2, 2018, 4:17 a.m.admin : maintaining context in a chatroom is hard, easier in forums
Jan. 2, 2018, 4:18 a.m.darioush : I think if you were to identify "themes" that HN articles fit into
Jan. 2, 2018, 4:18 a.m.darioush : that may be a better level for rooms
Jan. 2, 2018, 4:19 a.m.thenanyu : respectfully disagree -- I think that adds too much pre-processing mental load
Jan. 2, 2018, 4:19 a.m.thenanyu : that's basically what Spectrum does
Jan. 2, 2018, 4:20 a.m.admin : darioush : that's a good idea, but to start with I'll keep in a single room since there are hardly any visitors. If I manage to grow the site, that might make sense
Jan. 2, 2018, 4:21 a.m.admin : The plan is to allow user created topics (like subreddits ) which have a chat room + forum, but it only makes once I have more users
Jan. 2, 2018, 4:22 a.m.admin : I want to try on focus on getting the crypto communities to host parallel communities on my site
Jan. 2, 2018, 4:22 a.m.admin : they care a lot about transparent moderation (the whole btc vs bch is a big deal)
Jan. 2, 2018, 4:24 a.m.admin : the existing forums don't work very well. some communities use combinations of reddit, slack, discourse, irc, discord, rocket chat, custom forums etc. it's all over the place
Jan. 2, 2018, 4:25 a.m.admin : 12 onlookers online, come join the chat!
Jan. 2, 2018, 4:30 a.m.admin : darioush : if you have any questions related to programming or any projects you're working on, fell free to ask them here
Jan. 2, 2018, 4:37 a.m.admin : 14 people watching this chat, join! The signup link is in the top right corner
Jan. 2, 2018, 4:51 a.m.admin : hello nath
Jan. 2, 2018, 4:52 a.m.nath : howdy
Jan. 2, 2018, 4:53 a.m.nath : did you manually code the colours (e.g. blue = #007bff) for a specific reason?
Jan. 2, 2018, 4:55 a.m.admin : just used the bootstrap to get the first version up
Jan. 2, 2018, 4:55 a.m.admin : Welcome Kronuz
Jan. 2, 2018, 4:56 a.m.admin : just to give people new here an overview of the site : it's a chat room to discuss anything related to tech and entrepreneurship
Jan. 2, 2018, 4:56 a.m.Kronuz : Hello there
Jan. 2, 2018, 4:56 a.m.admin : if you're working on any projects or have any programming related questions, feel free to asking them
Jan. 2, 2018, 4:58 a.m.admin : Kronuz and nath, anything you're working on or any topic you want to talk about?
Jan. 2, 2018, 4:58 a.m.admin : to the 14 people watching this chat, signup!
Jan. 2, 2018, 4:59 a.m.Kronuz : Similar to Elasticsearch, but based in Xapian search engine and written in c++
Jan. 2, 2018, 5 a.m.viztor : hola :)
Jan. 2, 2018, 5 a.m.admin : cool project, are you working on it full time?
Jan. 2, 2018, 5:01 a.m.admin : welcome viztor!
Jan. 2, 2018, 5:02 a.m.Kronuz : Sometimes full time
Jan. 2, 2018, 5:03 a.m.admin : nice, do you plan offering a hosted version?
Jan. 2, 2018, 5:03 a.m.Kronuz : There are no plans about it yet
Jan. 2, 2018, 5:03 a.m.Kronuz : We need help with a website and documentation
Jan. 2, 2018, 5:03 a.m.admin : viztor, you can scroll to the top of the chat window to view the chat history
Jan. 2, 2018, 5:03 a.m.Kronuz : I’ll be back later, got to go now
Jan. 2, 2018, 5:04 a.m.Kronuz : You can reach me on Twitter at @germbravo
Jan. 2, 2018, 5:04 a.m.admin : sure, be sure to bookmark this site. Will be inviting more people to join the chatroom, lots of interesting discussions to follow!
Jan. 2, 2018, 5:05 a.m.Kronuz : I will
Jan. 2, 2018, 5:14 a.m.moslufricr : just saying
Jan. 2, 2018, 5:14 a.m.moslufricr : it's not so smart to have a signup system for a website made for "hackers"
Jan. 2, 2018, 5:15 a.m.moslufricr : depending on your interpretation of "hacker" though
Jan. 2, 2018, 5:17 a.m.admin : hacker as in programmer or an expert in their fields, not the type that ddos'es sites, involved in credit card theft etc
Jan. 2, 2018, 5:17 a.m.moslufricr : it's nice to see a website targeted for that kind of audience then
Jan. 2, 2018, 5:18 a.m.moslufricr : I trust that the appropriate security measures have been taken anyway
Jan. 2, 2018, 5:18 a.m.admin : yeah, the first version is essentially hacker news, but a chatroom instead of a forum
Jan. 2, 2018, 5:19 a.m.moslufricr : let us know if you open source it
Jan. 2, 2018, 5:19 a.m.admin : I've talked a bit about the future plans with this site in the chat, scroll up and hit "Load previous messages" to view the history
Jan. 2, 2018, 5:19 a.m.admin : it's already open source
Jan. 2, 2018, 5:20 a.m.moslufricr : oh, you should put the link on here buddy
Jan. 2, 2018, 5:20 a.m.moslufricr : or maybe I'm just blind
Jan. 2, 2018, 5:20 a.m.admin : I haven't linked it since the repo needs proper tests, automated builds, docs and contribution guidelines. Link : https://github.com/ploggingdev/boredhackers
Jan. 2, 2018, 5:21 a.m.moslufricr : ah yeah I see it's quite barebones still
Jan. 2, 2018, 5:21 a.m.admin : once I have that up, I'll link it from this site
Jan. 2, 2018, 5:21 a.m.admin : yeah, just a hacky first version
Jan. 2, 2018, 5:21 a.m.moslufricr : I would have liked to do some backend, but I am a Node dev
Jan. 2, 2018, 5:21 a.m.moslufricr : I can do some Vue/React frontend though if you'd like
Jan. 2, 2018, 5:22 a.m.admin : ah, I'm not too familiar with either of those,
Jan. 2, 2018, 5:22 a.m.admin : so, are you working on any projects? open source or otherwise
Jan. 2, 2018, 5:23 a.m.moslufricr : haha I worked on some open source stuff in the past, going proprietary
Jan. 2, 2018, 5:23 a.m.moslufricr : looking to build a startup but am lackluster for ideas
Jan. 2, 2018, 5:23 a.m.admin : share your ideas here, maybe I can give you some ideas
Jan. 2, 2018, 5:23 a.m.admin : * feedback
Jan. 2, 2018, 5:24 a.m.moslufricr : well I was firstly thinking some kind of easy analytics
Jan. 2, 2018, 5:24 a.m.moslufricr : but that market is already saturated, with Google Analytics and so forth
Jan. 2, 2018, 5:25 a.m.admin : there's always space for another product, as long as you're doing something slightly different or incrementally better
Jan. 2, 2018, 5:25 a.m.admin : the biggest problem is getting people to use your products
Jan. 2, 2018, 5:25 a.m.moslufricr : space for another product, but not space for another successful produt
Jan. 2, 2018, 5:25 a.m.moslufricr : product*
Jan. 2, 2018, 5:27 a.m.moslufricr : so now I'm just kinda surfing, learning some Rust
Jan. 2, 2018, 5:28 a.m.admin : successful product as well. I used to have the same views as you regarding crowded markets, but it's not true. lots of successful analytics products being built all the time.
Jan. 2, 2018, 5:28 a.m.admin : have you started learning rust?
Jan. 2, 2018, 5:28 a.m.moslufricr : I have, yeah. I built a simple image processing utility
Jan. 2, 2018, 5:29 a.m.admin : nice, do you have it on github?
Jan. 2, 2018, 5:29 a.m.moslufricr : I use GitLab these days due to it being opensrc
Jan. 2, 2018, 5:29 a.m.moslufricr : currently it's a private project as it has a very specific use case
Jan. 2, 2018, 5:30 a.m.admin : ok. since you eventually plan to build a startup, it might be a good idea to start sharing your projects in relevant communities, helps you build an audience
Jan. 2, 2018, 5:31 a.m.admin : 14 people enjoying this chatroom, join! signup link in the top right corner
Jan. 2, 2018, 5:31 a.m.moslufricr : I guess so yeah... but I don't think anything I currently have would be of interest
Jan. 2, 2018, 5:32 a.m.moslufricr : plus all of my online profiles are anonymised, so no audience really
Jan. 2, 2018, 5:35 a.m.moslufricr : also, we are very lucky that this chat hasn't been spammed yet
Jan. 2, 2018, 5:36 a.m.admin : not many people know about this chatroom yet, literally deployed the code yesterday
Jan. 2, 2018, 5:37 a.m.admin : hopefully spam won't be a problem anytime soon, otherwise I'll need to pass the chat messages through akismet or something else
Jan. 2, 2018, 5:38 a.m.moslufricr : I hope so too, but I guarantee it will be a problem eventually
Jan. 2, 2018, 5:39 a.m.moslufricr : especially since it's easy to connect with your own WS client and do as you wish
Jan. 2, 2018, 5:40 a.m.admin : you should bookmark this site, I'll be inviting more users to join the chat so we can have some interesting discussions.
Jan. 2, 2018, 5:41 a.m.moslufricr : pardon me for a sec, just want to make sure it's not vulnerable to XSS
Jan. 2, 2018, 5:41 a.m.moslufricr : looking at the source it should be ok
Jan. 2, 2018, 5:52 a.m.admin : using django channels to implement the chat
Jan. 2, 2018, 5:52 a.m.OrionBlastar : I clicked load previous a few times and they are not there. I should have a link on my profile to show my messages to make it easy to find them.
Jan. 2, 2018, 5:52 a.m.nobody : Ahh. I also just saw your Twitter acct. :-)
Jan. 2, 2018, 5:53 a.m.moslufricr : I will be honest, i think the project needs a bit of a refractor
Jan. 2, 2018, 5:53 a.m.moslufricr : but its a cool proof-of-concept
Jan. 2, 2018, 5:53 a.m.admin : OrionBlastar : there were lots of messages since you were here, so you'll have to scrollback quite a bit. I'll eventually add an easy to find your own messages
Jan. 2, 2018, 5:54 a.m.nobody : Pretty cool. I like the idea
Jan. 2, 2018, 5:54 a.m.admin : nobody : not too active there, now I have my own community site!
Jan. 2, 2018, 5:55 a.m.admin : moslufricr : definitely, will be working on it a lot more in the coming weeks
Jan. 2, 2018, 5:56 a.m.admin : Friendly reminder to everyone : bookmark this site, will be inviting more people to join and lots of interesting discussions to follow
Jan. 2, 2018, 5:56 a.m.admin : getting a community site off the ground is hard, so it's a slow process
Jan. 2, 2018, 5:57 a.m.moslufricr : man its 6am and I havent slept yet
Jan. 2, 2018, 5:58 a.m.admin : moslufricr : get some sleep
Jan. 2, 2018, 5:59 a.m.admin : the advantage of allowing people to just watch the chat without signup/login is that they can idle and only join when they are comfortable
Jan. 2, 2018, 6 a.m.nobody : I just sent the link to a couple people
Jan. 2, 2018, 6 a.m.nobody : I’m going to keep a tab open
Jan. 2, 2018, 6 a.m.admin : if i tried starting a community using slack, most people wouldn't get past the invitation page
Jan. 2, 2018, 6:01 a.m.admin : nobody : thanks a lot, always best to grow the community organically. appreciate it
Jan. 2, 2018, 6:03 a.m.admin : I should get around to linking this site in my blog, hopefully some of the readers will join this community
Jan. 2, 2018, 6:03 a.m.nobody : You’re welcome. I’m working some ideas with the same spirit, but nothing public yet. The holiday break wasn’t long enough.
Jan. 2, 2018, 6:04 a.m.admin : nobody : once you have something ready, share it here, I can give you some feedback
Jan. 2, 2018, 6:12 a.m.admin : does it use nodejs for the server?
Jan. 2, 2018, 6:13 a.m.moslufricr : yeah
Jan. 2, 2018, 6:19 a.m.admin : I'll be offline for a bit, but you can post messages here and I'll reply when I get back online. don't forget to bookmark this page :)
Jan. 2, 2018, 6:26 a.m.admin : To the people new here, scroll up the chat window and click "Load previous messages" to view the chat history https://imgur.com/a/7FSyH
Jan. 2, 2018, 7:09 a.m.lowlevel : I think you should move to slack and just have something that exposes it to a simple page like this ... using this is pretty awful vs slack/irc :/ best of luck
Jan. 2, 2018, 7:40 a.m.admin : lowlevel : this is the first version, will work on improving it
Jan. 2, 2018, 7:41 a.m.admin : 17 people watching, join the chatroom to discuss anything related to tech and startups https://www.boredhackers.com/register/
Jan. 2, 2018, 8:03 a.m.Avaer : finding good cofounders is a bitch
Jan. 2, 2018, 8:04 a.m.admin : Avaer : what are you working on?
Jan. 2, 2018, 8:11 a.m.Avaer : I'm not in the valley atm, so no real "network"
Jan. 2, 2018, 8:12 a.m.Avaer : I'm worked with friends before, but everyone seems to want the prestige of being a founder, while doing none of the work of being a founder
Jan. 2, 2018, 8:12 a.m.Avaer : other than me -- I just end up doing all of the work and telling people what to do
Jan. 2, 2018, 8:13 a.m.Avaer : which basically makes me a solo founder in practice, every time
Jan. 2, 2018, 8:14 a.m.admin : so it's a game that you plan to launch on steam. sounds interesting. consider putting up a few screenshots of what it would look like.
Jan. 2, 2018, 8:14 a.m.Avaer : no, it's not a game
Jan. 2, 2018, 8:14 a.m.Avaer : and it's iffy whether it will be on steam
Jan. 2, 2018, 8:14 a.m.Avaer : that's the highly outdated part
Jan. 2, 2018, 8:14 a.m.admin : ah, ok
Jan. 2, 2018, 8:15 a.m.admin : if you can make progress alone and get a basic mvp ready, that would be great. so you are doing this full time?
Jan. 2, 2018, 8:16 a.m.Avaer : for over a year, and yes
Jan. 2, 2018, 8:16 a.m.Avaer : it's complicated stuff, and it's already been through many failed iterations
Jan. 2, 2018, 8:16 a.m.Avaer : also a couple of cofounders who bailed :)
Jan. 2, 2018, 8:16 a.m.admin : 6500 commits, looks like you put in a lot of work
Jan. 2, 2018, 8:17 a.m.Avaer : that's one out of like 10 repos
Jan. 2, 2018, 8:17 a.m.Avaer : there's a whole backend to it too
Jan. 2, 2018, 8:17 a.m.Avaer : the thing is I can do this alone, which is both a blessing and a curse
Jan. 2, 2018, 8:19 a.m.admin : I would suggest putting up a good landing page and put up some pictures to explain the product and you can also collect emails from users.
Jan. 2, 2018, 8:20 a.m.Avaer : thanks, I had about 10 of those already
Jan. 2, 2018, 8:20 a.m.Avaer : which is why it's already been through many failed pitches
Jan. 2, 2018, 8:20 a.m.Avaer : I'm just cranking on the next iteration
Jan. 2, 2018, 8:21 a.m.admin : so what's the new direction with the product? I know it's complicated, but it helps to have a simple explanation that the average user can understand
Jan. 2, 2018, 8:22 a.m.admin : 19 people enjoying this conversation, join the conversation here and share your thoughts : https://www.boredhackers.com/register/
Jan. 2, 2018, 8:26 a.m.fuccboi : ayy lmao
Jan. 2, 2018, 8:26 a.m.admin : welcome user `fuccboi
Jan. 2, 2018, 8:27 a.m.token_female : Sup
Jan. 2, 2018, 8:27 a.m.fuccboi : ayy
Jan. 2, 2018, 8:27 a.m.fuccboi : U wan sum fucc?
Jan. 2, 2018, 8:27 a.m.admin : welcome user `token_female
Jan. 2, 2018, 8:28 a.m.token_female : What are we all working on?
Jan. 2, 2018, 8:28 a.m.admin : if you want to talk about anything tech, startup related, this is the place.
Jan. 2, 2018, 8:28 a.m.Avaer : elevator pitch: an VR/AR platform where everything around you is interactive Javascript objects. you can either: a) subscribe to get an ecosystem of VR/AR/MR content you can download and shape around you, or b) write those JS objects (npm modules) and get automatically paid (via stripe) whenever they're used
Jan. 2, 2018, 8:28 a.m.fuccboi : Slowly killing myself for the next 40-50 years
Jan. 2, 2018, 8:29 a.m.Avaer : it actually supports pretty much every platform already, including running in the browser, as well as native
Jan. 2, 2018, 8:29 a.m.Avaer : so that's what I'm working on
Jan. 2, 2018, 8:30 a.m.Avaer : if they're not then I whip out the phone and do an AR demo
Jan. 2, 2018, 8:31 a.m.admin : Avaer : so developers can create npm modules to be used on you platform?
Jan. 2, 2018, 8:32 a.m.token_female : I like jazz
Jan. 2, 2018, 8:33 a.m.Avaer : I'd give it a C
Jan. 2, 2018, 8:33 a.m.token_female : Not a B?
Jan. 2, 2018, 8:34 a.m.Avaer : admin: yah, it's literally publish a module, add a phone number + debit card, and you get paid when your module is used in VR/AR by subscribers
Jan. 2, 2018, 8:34 a.m.token_female : Yeah but does html injection <i>work</i>?
Jan. 2, 2018, 8:35 a.m.admin : Avaer : now that makes a lot of sense and is easier to understand
Jan. 2, 2018, 8:37 a.m.admin : bee_movie : I'll delete the message you posted, it muddies the discussion. post links to external content if it's longer than a few sentences
Jan. 2, 2018, 8:39 a.m.admin : if you guys have any feedback about this website, let me know, I'll see what I can do
Jan. 2, 2018, 8:39 a.m.Avaer : admin: make it anonymous login-able
Jan. 2, 2018, 8:40 a.m.admin : Avaer : I'll have to think about that, but for now users can use throwaway email addresses
Jan. 2, 2018, 8:40 a.m.Avaer : but the point is most people probably won't fork over anyway
Jan. 2, 2018, 8:41 a.m.admin : Yup, no verification is not required for now.
Jan. 2, 2018, 8:41 a.m.admin : * Yup, verification is not required for now.
Jan. 2, 2018, 8:41 a.m.Avaer : so it sounds like it might as well be anon
Jan. 2, 2018, 8:41 a.m.Avaer : making people provide email was a big user killer for my platform
Jan. 2, 2018, 8:41 a.m.Avaer : in terms of trying
Jan. 2, 2018, 8:42 a.m.Avaer : but I do understand the collecting emails
Jan. 2, 2018, 8:42 a.m.Avaer : what worked for me is anon login plus a nag after a timeout
Jan. 2, 2018, 8:42 a.m.admin : yeah it's basically anon, so far most people provided their real email ids though
Jan. 2, 2018, 8:44 a.m.admin : the next step with this site is to improve the design and also build a forum alongside the chatroom. after that, user's will be allowed to create their own communities, like how it's done on reddit. each community will have a chatroom + forum
Jan. 2, 2018, 8:44 a.m.tyl_mighty_slash : sup
Jan. 2, 2018, 8:45 a.m.tyl_mighty_slash : why recreating the same stuff over and over
Jan. 2, 2018, 8:45 a.m.Avaer : admin: you've got a huge hill to climb
Jan. 2, 2018, 8:45 a.m.Avaer : everyone's already on slack/discord and reddit
Jan. 2, 2018, 8:45 a.m.tyl_mighty_slash : there is need to open chatroom like that even without any login
Jan. 2, 2018, 8:45 a.m.admin : I'm going to implement transparent moderation and then try and get crypto communities to host on my site
Jan. 2, 2018, 8:46 a.m.Avaer : I'm not sure people want transparent moderation
Jan. 2, 2018, 8:46 a.m.Avaer : reddit works because mods make their own rules
Jan. 2, 2018, 8:46 a.m.admin : tyl_mighty_slash : that's one of the big advantages, people can watch the chatroom without logging in
Jan. 2, 2018, 8:47 a.m.tyl_mighty_slash : yeah cool what you guys doin irl
Jan. 2, 2018, 8:47 a.m.Avaer : coding
Jan. 2, 2018, 8:47 a.m.admin : transparent moderation is a big deal in the crypto community. especially since the btc-bch fork. people accuse each other of censorship
Jan. 2, 2018, 8:48 a.m.Avaer : hm that is true
Jan. 2, 2018, 8:48 a.m.admin : most crypto communities use different combinations of slack/discord/reddit/discource/custom forums etc
Jan. 2, 2018, 8:48 a.m.Avaer : but the people calling the shots probably prefer to censor
Jan. 2, 2018, 8:48 a.m.token_female : Yeah but crypto is a ponzi scheme atm
Jan. 2, 2018, 8:48 a.m.admin : providing a better experience and catering to the the anon+transparent moderation is my plan
Jan. 2, 2018, 8:49 a.m.token_female : So obviously controlling media is going to be necessary for anyone already sunk
Jan. 2, 2018, 8:49 a.m.token_female : "invested"
Jan. 2, 2018, 8:49 a.m.Avaer : yeah I can understand the suckers wanting to not be censored and to have moderation be transparent
Jan. 2, 2018, 8:49 a.m.Avaer : but the people with money and who control these platforms want the opposite
Jan. 2, 2018, 8:51 a.m.token_female : Transparent censorship crypto forums are pretty much irrelevant, since anyone who has actually got their money tied up in it will not be using it
Jan. 2, 2018, 8:52 a.m.admin : so I want to start off with less popular cryptos and work my way up. I haven't tested if my assumptions to reality, but let's see how it goes
Jan. 2, 2018, 8:52 a.m.token_female : (So the forum will be an armchair chetto)
Jan. 2, 2018, 8:52 a.m.token_female : *ghetto
Jan. 2, 2018, 8:52 a.m.admin : I literally launched the site yesterday
Jan. 2, 2018, 8:53 a.m.Avaer : I can understand "bored hackers", that idea sounds waaaay more interesting to me than trying to solve crypto community censorship
Jan. 2, 2018, 8:53 a.m.tyl_mighty_slash : yeah
Jan. 2, 2018, 8:54 a.m.tyl_mighty_slash : its a huge work to reunite every tools who already exists
Jan. 2, 2018, 8:54 a.m.Avaer : tyl: wdym?
Jan. 2, 2018, 8:54 a.m.admin : the direction of this site is stil open for discussion, so let me hear it : what do you want to see from this site? a chatroom only? would an attached forum interest you?
Jan. 2, 2018, 8:55 a.m.token_female : admin: Don't let criticism dissuade you. Just do what you want :)
Jan. 2, 2018, 8:55 a.m.tyl_mighty_slash : yeah
Jan. 2, 2018, 8:55 a.m.tyl_mighty_slash : totally
Jan. 2, 2018, 8:55 a.m.Avaer : forum less so
Jan. 2, 2018, 8:55 a.m.Avaer : here's a random idea I would love to see: people post their project, that becomes the topic of the chat for the next n minutes/hours/whatever
Jan. 2, 2018, 8:56 a.m.admin : but worth listening to different ideas
Jan. 2, 2018, 8:56 a.m.tyl_mighty_slash : you need to be motivated by your project but for me bored hacker its like im coding since 4 hours on something every things on the www sounds pretty boring and maybe i want to have a quick escape with others coder who works on the same technos as me right now
Jan. 2, 2018, 8:56 a.m.Avaer : tyl: ah yes, that's exactly the kind of thing I was thinking
Jan. 2, 2018, 8:56 a.m.tyl_mighty_slash : so it will be channels per techno
Jan. 2, 2018, 8:56 a.m.Avaer : yup
Jan. 2, 2018, 8:57 a.m.Avaer : or per project
Jan. 2, 2018, 8:57 a.m.tyl_mighty_slash : im down to help build this
Jan. 2, 2018, 8:57 a.m.tyl_mighty_slash : yeah
Jan. 2, 2018, 8:57 a.m.admin : Avaer : that sounds interesting. the issue with chat only is that it's hard to read previous threads without spending a lot of time going through all the previous messages
Jan. 2, 2018, 8:57 a.m.tyl_mighty_slash : yeah but the thing is to focus on real time
Jan. 2, 2018, 8:57 a.m.admin : so I thought a forum might be an easier way to keep context
Jan. 2, 2018, 8:57 a.m.token_female : Avaer: That sounds fun. How do you manage the quality of the discussion though?
Jan. 2, 2018, 8:57 a.m.tyl_mighty_slash : because if we want archived topic and stuff its already there forum and stuff
Jan. 2, 2018, 8:58 a.m.Avaer : admin: yeah so you wouldn't have to, you could make it so that the current "topic" or project is sticky at the top of the page
Jan. 2, 2018, 8:58 a.m.tyl_mighty_slash : maybe related messages only and you can see if the discussion is going somewhere
Jan. 2, 2018, 8:58 a.m.Avaer : I think managing the quality of discussion is all about staying on topic and keeping out spam
Jan. 2, 2018, 8:59 a.m.tyl_mighty_slash : you go on a room every messages need to be related to the previous one and like that you build stories
Jan. 2, 2018, 9 a.m.Avaer : nah no need to kick, just antiflood
Jan. 2, 2018, 9 a.m.tyl_mighty_slash : yeah
Jan. 2, 2018, 9 a.m.token_female : Lol
Jan. 2, 2018, 9:01 a.m.Avaer : I don't think this is a tech problem tho, this is a community problem, this "bored hackers" thing
Jan. 2, 2018, 9:01 a.m.tyl_mighty_slash : or its not a chat its just room for brainstorming and every messages go to multiples tags depending on the content
Jan. 2, 2018, 9:01 a.m.token_female : Avaer: I think that keeping quality high is more about ensuring that the correct people are talking, than about suppressing off-topic discussion
Jan. 2, 2018, 9:01 a.m.Avaer : who determines the correct person to talk?
Jan. 2, 2018, 9:06 a.m.token_female : Avaer: I'm just bringing up that example to show what I mean by it's the people that make it work rather than the policies
Jan. 2, 2018, 9:07 a.m.tyl_mighty_slash : so if you want to go on this path you need for every users to kinda list experiences and futures projects interest ?
Jan. 2, 2018, 9:07 a.m.tyl_mighty_slash : and then you create new project mixing up profiles
Jan. 2, 2018, 9:07 a.m.token_female : Avaer: If nobody is specifically trying to maintain the discussions quality usually things just become "who talks the loudest or fastest"
Jan. 2, 2018, 9:08 a.m.Avaer : It's hard to scale this out though
Jan. 2, 2018, 9:08 a.m.Avaer : There's only so much time and energy a moderator can put into forums like these
Jan. 2, 2018, 9:09 a.m.admin : Hi Harkan
Jan. 2, 2018, 9:09 a.m.admin : I'll need to introduce community mods at some point
Jan. 2, 2018, 9:09 a.m.tyl_mighty_slash : its always the same every experience is leaded by someone a moderator is an online leader for a chat place
Jan. 2, 2018, 9:09 a.m.Harkan : What are y'all discussing?
Jan. 2, 2018, 9:10 a.m.Avaer : What "'bored hackers" means
Jan. 2, 2018, 9:10 a.m.token_female : It's definitely uneconomical for interesting people to spend all of their time posting on forums
Jan. 2, 2018, 9:10 a.m.tyl_mighty_slash : or maybe saving messages and they pin under the text input and like that if you click on it you go back at this time of the convo and you can follow the story
Jan. 2, 2018, 9:10 a.m.tyl_mighty_slash : yeah but its good to have direct interaction with similar people
Jan. 2, 2018, 9:11 a.m.tyl_mighty_slash : @Harkan where can this goes
Jan. 2, 2018, 9:11 a.m.admin : Avaer : scaling shoudn't be a problem with community mods + rate limiting + akismet or some spam filtering service
Jan. 2, 2018, 9:11 a.m.token_female : bee_movie: Usually when the mods are asleep
Jan. 2, 2018, 9:11 a.m.tyl_mighty_slash : @bee_movie every interactions that you bringed where actually negative
Jan. 2, 2018, 9:11 a.m.tyl_mighty_slash : its a chat born 24h ago
Jan. 2, 2018, 9:11 a.m.token_female : tyl_mighty_slash: Iunno I laughed
Jan. 2, 2018, 9:12 a.m.Avaer : admin: If the moderator is who makes the community, then I don't think it's granted you can just add more mods and keep the value of the forum
Jan. 2, 2018, 9:13 a.m.token_female : Speaking of shit-posting, does anyone else read n-gate.com?
Jan. 2, 2018, 9:13 a.m.admin : 567 chat messages sent in the last 24 hours, not bad since most of my projects usually never go anywhere
Jan. 2, 2018, 9:14 a.m.admin : not counting yours :) I deleted almost 100 of yours
Jan. 2, 2018, 9:14 a.m.admin : with yours, closer to 700
Jan. 2, 2018, 9:15 a.m.Avaer : I like the idea of "bored hackers", I think that's the only draw for me
Jan. 2, 2018, 9:15 a.m.admin : 11 people are enjoying this discussion, signup and join the chat!
Jan. 2, 2018, 9:15 a.m.tyl_mighty_slash : hacker news offer so many news that you can make websites referencing the one that talk to you and add stuff to it
Jan. 2, 2018, 9:15 a.m.Harkan : So what's the tech behind boredhackers admin?
Jan. 2, 2018, 9:15 a.m.tyl_mighty_slash : admin is on the promo
Jan. 2, 2018, 9:15 a.m.Avaer : a websocket
Jan. 2, 2018, 9:16 a.m.Avaer : this tech is basically a 1 hour project + heroku free tier for an experienced node dev
Jan. 2, 2018, 9:17 a.m.Avaer : yah I know, I just see a lot of my past self here
Jan. 2, 2018, 9:17 a.m.tyl_mighty_slash : so whats a good advice
Jan. 2, 2018, 9:17 a.m.Avaer : fetishising the tech, when that's the least important part of getting a project off the ground
Jan. 2, 2018, 9:17 a.m.admin : it works fine, so doesn't matter too much. as long as all the bored hackers have a place to hangout
Jan. 2, 2018, 9:17 a.m.tyl_mighty_slash : i means its a solid config
Jan. 2, 2018, 9:18 a.m.tyl_mighty_slash : why do you use redis tho
Jan. 2, 2018, 9:18 a.m.tyl_mighty_slash : for sessions ?
Jan. 2, 2018, 9:18 a.m.OrionBlastar : Our hacker chat like software is at http://k666.kr5ddit.com/ built with some of the same tools. It is more like a forum though.
Jan. 2, 2018, 9:18 a.m.admin : I use django channels for the websocket stuff which requires redis. I also use redis for the presence (showing who's online)
Jan. 2, 2018, 9:18 a.m.Avaer : if I launched something like this my advice to my past self would be "who cares about the tech, find out what people really want -- which is not the tech at all"
Jan. 2, 2018, 9:18 a.m.tyl_mighty_slash : ay
Jan. 2, 2018, 9:19 a.m.tyl_mighty_slash : Avaer : the dude bulding the site care about the tech also because when you build on something who dosnt talk to you enjoying less my mantra
Jan. 2, 2018, 9:19 a.m.admin : Avaer : exactly, I learned that through many failed projects.
Jan. 2, 2018, 9:20 a.m.Avaer : I bet I've failed more than you :)
Jan. 2, 2018, 9:20 a.m.tyl_mighty_slash : @OrionBlaster i dont really like the ui its too much stuff
Jan. 2, 2018, 9:20 a.m.admin : it's surprising in some ways that the project in which I put in the least effort has some traffic at all
Jan. 2, 2018, 9:21 a.m.Avaer : admin: it probably won't last, unless you find the grain of what's keeping people here
Jan. 2, 2018, 9:21 a.m.admin : I literally built this part time over a few days
Jan. 2, 2018, 9:21 a.m.Harkan : So what's next admin?
Jan. 2, 2018, 9:21 a.m.admin : Avaer : what would make you come back here?
Jan. 2, 2018, 9:21 a.m.tyl_mighty_slash : ill stay connected if the convo goes
Jan. 2, 2018, 9:21 a.m.tyl_mighty_slash : not just where you wanna go
Jan. 2, 2018, 9:22 a.m.admin : Harkan : redesign the chatroom and build a forum alongside it
Jan. 2, 2018, 9:22 a.m.tyl_mighty_slash : do private room
Jan. 2, 2018, 9:22 a.m.tyl_mighty_slash : where you can invite people on it
Jan. 2, 2018, 9:22 a.m.Avaer : admin: what would bring me back is if the convo was consistently good
Jan. 2, 2018, 9:22 a.m.Avaer : meaning, I can open it anytime and have a good convo about bored hacking stuff
Jan. 2, 2018, 9:23 a.m.Avaer : that's a really really hard problem to solve though
Jan. 2, 2018, 9:23 a.m.admin : the only way this site is going to work is if users like yourselves check in regularly and continue contributing in good faith
Jan. 2, 2018, 9:23 a.m.tyl_mighty_slash : yeah well bee_movie the concepts of chat
Jan. 2, 2018, 9:23 a.m.Avaer : admin: indeed, so how do we incentivize this?
Jan. 2, 2018, 9:23 a.m.tyl_mighty_slash : i mean im down
Jan. 2, 2018, 9:23 a.m.tyl_mighty_slash : ok whats an issue that youre having on a project right now
Jan. 2, 2018, 9:23 a.m.tyl_mighty_slash : be quick
Jan. 2, 2018, 9:24 a.m.tyl_mighty_slash : make it generally understandable
Jan. 2, 2018, 9:24 a.m.Avaer : tyl: who are you asking?
Jan. 2, 2018, 9:24 a.m.tyl_mighty_slash : everyone in this room
Jan. 2, 2018, 9:24 a.m.Avaer : ok, I want to know how to find good cofounders that don't flake
Jan. 2, 2018, 9:24 a.m.Avaer : that's my problem
Jan. 2, 2018, 9:24 a.m.tyl_mighty_slash : im an hacker im bored i still wanna think about hacking but nothing that i work on makes me feel nice
Jan. 2, 2018, 9:24 a.m.tyl_mighty_slash : hahaha
Jan. 2, 2018, 9:24 a.m.admin : I'm going to start inviting interesting people to join the site. mostly people who are working on startups or are programmers
Jan. 2, 2018, 9:25 a.m.admin : If you people can invite others who think might enjoy the convo here, please do
Jan. 2, 2018, 9:25 a.m.admin : it's best to grow the site organically
Jan. 2, 2018, 9:25 a.m.tyl_mighty_slash : @Avaer cofound what
Jan. 2, 2018, 9:25 a.m.tyl_mighty_slash : where you from
Jan. 2, 2018, 9:26 a.m.Avaer : it doesn't matter, I'm asking generally
Jan. 2, 2018, 9:26 a.m.tyl_mighty_slash : Paris personnaly
Jan. 2, 2018, 9:26 a.m.Avaer : I'm in canada
Jan. 2, 2018, 9:26 a.m.tyl_mighty_slash : french or us ?
Jan. 2, 2018, 9:26 a.m.Avaer : but that doesn't matter
Jan. 2, 2018, 9:26 a.m.tyl_mighty_slash : ay
Jan. 2, 2018, 9:26 a.m.Avaer : what I'm cofounding literally make location irrelevant; it's multiplayer VR in the browser
Jan. 2, 2018, 9:27 a.m.tyl_mighty_slash : well a good cofounder is someone that you will work along and have fun in the same time but also have differents skills than you but also can be really enthousiasts about your propositions and dont pass his time to say no
Jan. 2, 2018, 9:27 a.m.tyl_mighty_slash : i m just sayin
Jan. 2, 2018, 9:27 a.m.tyl_mighty_slash : so webgl at max
Jan. 2, 2018, 9:27 a.m.tyl_mighty_slash : i worked in a studio for vr
Jan. 2, 2018, 9:27 a.m.tyl_mighty_slash : but desktop with unreal engine pretty boring
Jan. 2, 2018, 9:27 a.m.admin : also, could you guys put valid emails ids in your profile so I can send you the rare reminder email to check in?
Jan. 2, 2018, 9:27 a.m.tyl_mighty_slash : already did
Jan. 2, 2018, 9:27 a.m.admin : cool, thanks
Jan. 2, 2018, 9:28 a.m.Avaer : admin: same
Jan. 2, 2018, 9:28 a.m.Avaer : tyl: it also works native, but yes, also webgl
Jan. 2, 2018, 9:28 a.m.Harkan : I'm thinking about how I want to deploy a master slave solr configuration on aws. Also thinking if it would be worthwhile to run it on ecs...
Jan. 2, 2018, 9:28 a.m.tyl_mighty_slash : @avaer vr and multi and game means big cuz there is so many assets in the game
Jan. 2, 2018, 9:28 a.m.Avaer : I'm not doing games
Jan. 2, 2018, 9:29 a.m.Avaer : and surprisingly light on the assets
Jan. 2, 2018, 9:29 a.m.admin : I hope to get around to linking this site in the footer of my blog. hopefully a few readers will join this community. I get a few hundred hits to that site
Jan. 2, 2018, 9:29 a.m.tyl_mighty_slash : i checked quicly solr i dosnt talk to me and kinda lazy to read everything can you explain quickly the goal
Jan. 2, 2018, 9:29 a.m.tyl_mighty_slash : @Avaer ok cool
Jan. 2, 2018, 9:30 a.m.tyl_mighty_slash : do you have something running already ?
Jan. 2, 2018, 9:30 a.m.Avaer : yeah tons
Jan. 2, 2018, 9:30 a.m.Avaer : I've been hacking on this for over a year
Jan. 2, 2018, 9:30 a.m.tyl_mighty_slash : did you tried the new lenovo headsert ?
Jan. 2, 2018, 9:31 a.m.Avaer : written in javascript
Jan. 2, 2018, 9:32 a.m.Avaer : that already exists
Jan. 2, 2018, 9:32 a.m.Avaer : japan's way ahead of you
Jan. 2, 2018, 9:32 a.m.admin : isn't magic leap the company that raised a few billion dollars with no launched product?
Jan. 2, 2018, 9:32 a.m.admin : it gets ripped apart on hn a lot
Jan. 2, 2018, 9:32 a.m.Avaer : they announced recently
Jan. 2, 2018, 9:33 a.m.Avaer : but yes that's the one
Jan. 2, 2018, 9:33 a.m.tyl_mighty_slash : are they making stories on something
Jan. 2, 2018, 9:33 a.m.tyl_mighty_slash : or *
Jan. 2, 2018, 9:33 a.m.Avaer : stories? ML? no not really
Jan. 2, 2018, 9:33 a.m.admin : what do you think about the company?
Jan. 2, 2018, 9:33 a.m.admin : vapourware or do you think it's doing something cool?
Jan. 2, 2018, 9:34 a.m.Avaer : no I don't think so
Jan. 2, 2018, 9:34 a.m.tyl_mighty_slash : im hacking on intel 3d capter
Jan. 2, 2018, 9:34 a.m.Avaer : admin: I think they are going to pave the way for the future of human computer interaction
Jan. 2, 2018, 9:34 a.m.Harkan : I think I would like coding in VR. The Logitech vr sdk seems kinda neat.
Jan. 2, 2018, 9:34 a.m.Avaer : the future of the internet is not a 2d shitty screen
Jan. 2, 2018, 9:35 a.m.Avaer : it's more like a contact lens that projects into your vision 24/7
Jan. 2, 2018, 9:35 a.m.Avaer : and screens don't exist
Jan. 2, 2018, 9:35 a.m.Avaer : that's the future ML is working towards
Jan. 2, 2018, 9:35 a.m.tyl_mighty_slash : yeah for now headset are not comfy to use for long period
Jan. 2, 2018, 9:35 a.m.Avaer : and to a lesser extent, myself
Jan. 2, 2018, 9:35 a.m.Avaer : yeah current tech sucks
Jan. 2, 2018, 9:35 a.m.Avaer : but it's obvious to me where it's headed
Jan. 2, 2018, 9:35 a.m.tyl_mighty_slash : obv
Jan. 2, 2018, 9:36 a.m.tyl_mighty_slash : im leaving a bit see you later
Jan. 2, 2018, 9:36 a.m.Avaer : later!
Jan. 2, 2018, 9:36 a.m.Avaer : basically once VR/AR/MR tech gets as good as iphone did for phones, we will have another revolution on our hands
Jan. 2, 2018, 9:37 a.m.Harkan : When do you think it'll be ready for prime time?
Jan. 2, 2018, 9:37 a.m.Avaer : within 5 years
Jan. 2, 2018, 9:37 a.m.Avaer : but the people who are gonna own this space are already doing it
Jan. 2, 2018, 9:38 a.m.Avaer : I'd say "3rd gen" is where the iphone moment hits
Jan. 2, 2018, 9:38 a.m.Avaer : something like an internet-connected contact lens
Jan. 2, 2018, 9:38 a.m.Avaer : and then everyone will throw away their iphones
Jan. 2, 2018, 9:38 a.m.Avaer : because they will be garbage in comparison
Jan. 2, 2018, 9:40 a.m.Harkan : Heh, the HTC Vive and that arrow game is the only VR headset I've got to play with. It was pretty fun
Jan. 2, 2018, 9:41 a.m.admin : why doesn't magic leap have atleast something out? it could help project a better image in the eyes of devs
Jan. 2, 2018, 9:41 a.m.Avaer : because they aren't just making hardware
Jan. 2, 2018, 9:41 a.m.Avaer : they're making a whole platform around it
Jan. 2, 2018, 9:41 a.m.Avaer : the hardware is just a small part of that, and it doesn't do much by itself
Jan. 2, 2018, 9:42 a.m.admin : what was the product they put up for pre launch? is it the magic leap one?
Jan. 2, 2018, 9:42 a.m.Avaer : what they want to do is make it so that the world is populated by useful AR content everywhere when you use their hardware
Jan. 2, 2018, 9:42 a.m.Avaer : and yes that is it
Jan. 2, 2018, 9:44 a.m.tyl_mighty_slash : i want to open a crypto market but my main issue for now is being abble to recreate every proprietaries wallet do someone have any experience with that
Jan. 2, 2018, 9:44 a.m.Avaer : yeah
Jan. 2, 2018, 9:44 a.m.Avaer : plenty
Jan. 2, 2018, 9:45 a.m.tyl_mighty_slash : ok noice can we start a mail convo more official for that ?
Jan. 2, 2018, 9:45 a.m.Avaer : I was gonna back my platform with bitcoin, XCP, eth, and my own custom crypto before I decided it wasn't a good fir
Jan. 2, 2018, 9:45 a.m.Avaer : fit*
Jan. 2, 2018, 9:45 a.m.Avaer : ummm sure, not sure how I can help tho
Jan. 2, 2018, 9:45 a.m.Avaer : a@modules.io
Jan. 2, 2018, 9:45 a.m.Avaer : but I've written tons of wallets in the past
Jan. 2, 2018, 9:45 a.m.tyl_mighty_slash : i mean are you just using the proprietary libraries to build wallets ?
Jan. 2, 2018, 9:45 a.m.Avaer : no
Jan. 2, 2018, 9:45 a.m.admin : keep the convo here for now, anything involving personal details you can take it to email
Jan. 2, 2018, 9:46 a.m.tyl_mighty_slash : so whats the difference between different wallets
Jan. 2, 2018, 9:46 a.m.admin : i'm interested in following the convo, could learn a thing or two
Jan. 2, 2018, 9:46 a.m.tyl_mighty_slash : ay
Jan. 2, 2018, 9:46 a.m.Avaer : the blockchains are all different
Jan. 2, 2018, 9:46 a.m.Avaer : some have common origins but they use different formats and protocols
Jan. 2, 2018, 9:46 a.m.tyl_mighty_slash : yeah but how to that change the creation of any wallet just a signature corresponding to the block
Jan. 2, 2018, 9:47 a.m.Avaer : creating a wallet doesn't involve any signature
Jan. 2, 2018, 9:47 a.m.Avaer : a wallet is not an actual "thing"
Jan. 2, 2018, 9:47 a.m.tyl_mighty_slash : signature i mean techno corresponding to the matching blockchain
Jan. 2, 2018, 9:47 a.m.Avaer : yeah basically
Jan. 2, 2018, 9:47 a.m.Avaer : but each blockchain has a different idea of what a balance is
Jan. 2, 2018, 9:47 a.m.Avaer : and what an address is
Jan. 2, 2018, 9:47 a.m.tyl_mighty_slash : a wallet its just an address that its gonna be righten on the blockchain and if you have it you have the coins
Jan. 2, 2018, 9:48 a.m.Avaer : a wallet is more like a method of tracking a blockchain, and signing things with your private key
Jan. 2, 2018, 9:48 a.m.tyl_mighty_slash : nothing related but do you know tenx the crypto to visa compani
Jan. 2, 2018, 9:48 a.m.Avaer : but as I said all of the chains do it slightly differently
Jan. 2, 2018, 9:48 a.m.Avaer : sure I've heard the name
Jan. 2, 2018, 9:48 a.m.tyl_mighty_slash : ok which type of wallet did you already write
Jan. 2, 2018, 9:49 a.m.tyl_mighty_slash : well ive been using it and its really great
Jan. 2, 2018, 9:49 a.m.Avaer : bitcoin, XCP, and custom crypto I deployed
Jan. 2, 2018, 9:49 a.m.Avaer : I was a pretty early adopter of bitcoin
Jan. 2, 2018, 9:49 a.m.tyl_mighty_slash : and it makes me thing about so many feature who can interest a lot people because people can actually spend the money the classic way but also benefits from the volatility when its high
Jan. 2, 2018, 9:50 a.m.tyl_mighty_slash : deployed with which blockchain
Jan. 2, 2018, 9:50 a.m.Avaer : I dunno, I think it's all a bubble
Jan. 2, 2018, 9:50 a.m.tyl_mighty_slash : i want to deploy my own with eth i think
Jan. 2, 2018, 9:50 a.m.Avaer : nobody is using this tech for anything except storing money
Jan. 2, 2018, 9:50 a.m.tyl_mighty_slash : ok and
Jan. 2, 2018, 9:51 a.m.tyl_mighty_slash : i think its totally the future of money
Jan. 2, 2018, 9:51 a.m.Avaer : I don't think so
Jan. 2, 2018, 9:52 a.m.tyl_mighty_slash : blockchain is just the first techno who gived us this new vision
Jan. 2, 2018, 9:52 a.m.Avaer : I say that with like 10 years of experience in it
Jan. 2, 2018, 9:52 a.m.tyl_mighty_slash : dosnt matter for me
Jan. 2, 2018, 9:52 a.m.Avaer : what vision is that?
Jan. 2, 2018, 9:52 a.m.Avaer : the original vision was decentralized payments
Jan. 2, 2018, 9:52 a.m.Avaer : free from regulation
Jan. 2, 2018, 9:52 a.m.Avaer : but it ultimately became the opposite of that
Jan. 2, 2018, 9:53 a.m.Avaer : it is highly centralized and regulated
Jan. 2, 2018, 9:53 a.m.tyl_mighty_slash : why because everyone storing money and fast trading to makes profit
Jan. 2, 2018, 9:53 a.m.Avaer : and it will become more so
Jan. 2, 2018, 9:53 a.m.tyl_mighty_slash : i dont know why you think its a bubble who is going no where
Jan. 2, 2018, 9:53 a.m.tyl_mighty_slash : centralized by the markets ?
Jan. 2, 2018, 9:53 a.m.Avaer : centralized by miners and exchanges
Jan. 2, 2018, 9:54 a.m.Avaer : there are very few players that matter
Jan. 2, 2018, 9:54 a.m.tyl_mighty_slash : ok well i mean without them it dosnt really work
Jan. 2, 2018, 9:54 a.m.tyl_mighty_slash : ok like all the time
Jan. 2, 2018, 9:54 a.m.tyl_mighty_slash : obv this had been appropriated and now there is rulers
Jan. 2, 2018, 9:54 a.m.tyl_mighty_slash : but you can also use it to renew business
Jan. 2, 2018, 9:54 a.m.Avaer : yeah, and what it became now is completely the opposite of what it was supposed to be
Jan. 2, 2018, 9:55 a.m.Avaer : it's basically just another too big to fail bank now
Jan. 2, 2018, 9:55 a.m.Avaer : just a lot less tied to a nation state
Jan. 2, 2018, 9:55 a.m.Avaer : but it has all of the same problems in practice
Jan. 2, 2018, 9:55 a.m.tyl_mighty_slash : yeah its right
Jan. 2, 2018, 9:56 a.m.Avaer : so that's why I think this is kind of a dead end -- in practice it just extended the existing status quo, it didn't change anything
Jan. 2, 2018, 9:56 a.m.tyl_mighty_slash : too big too fail when i think about crypto its kinda a positive market even if it goes up and down the prices keep pushin high because of the trend hype wtvr
Jan. 2, 2018, 9:56 a.m.tyl_mighty_slash : also there is not that much smartest applications of the technos
Jan. 2, 2018, 9:56 a.m.Avaer : there are like no applications of the tech really -- except maybe ethereum
Jan. 2, 2018, 9:57 a.m.tyl_mighty_slash : like i worked on this DAO to manage a company transparently and do everything that you can do in a real board and idk it just make it very clear
Jan. 2, 2018, 9:57 a.m.tyl_mighty_slash : yeah eth is game changer with smart contracts thats a very plus
Jan. 2, 2018, 9:57 a.m.admin : sorry to interrupt : 17 people are enjoying the conversation, join the chat by signing up here : https://www.boredhackers.com/register/
Jan. 2, 2018, 9:57 a.m.Avaer : the thing is it's not a game changer at all :)
Jan. 2, 2018, 9:57 a.m.Avaer : the thing about ethereum is its main application is supporting more crypto tokens, that's it
Jan. 2, 2018, 9:57 a.m.Avaer : and those crypto tokens are just more stores of value, bitcoin mini
Jan. 2, 2018, 9:58 a.m.tyl_mighty_slash : like sub eth
Jan. 2, 2018, 9:58 a.m.tyl_mighty_slash : you mean
Jan. 2, 2018, 9:58 a.m.Avaer : yeah
Jan. 2, 2018, 9:58 a.m.tyl_mighty_slash : yeah
Jan. 2, 2018, 9:58 a.m.Avaer : so eth really changed nothing, it just brought the ability for everyone to mint their own currencies
Jan. 2, 2018, 9:58 a.m.Avaer : and none of these currencies have any intrinsic value
Jan. 2, 2018, 9:58 a.m.Avaer : their main value by far is speculation and gambling
Jan. 2, 2018, 9:59 a.m.Avaer : the uses in other areas are almost zero
Jan. 2, 2018, 9:59 a.m.tyl_mighty_slash : for me making you own crypto is the way to get capitalized by this new world
Jan. 2, 2018, 9:59 a.m.Avaer : that's true
Jan. 2, 2018, 9:59 a.m.tyl_mighty_slash : well you have to do the links and share against worlwide accepted currencies
Jan. 2, 2018, 9:59 a.m.Avaer : nobody in this space is creating any actual value though
Jan. 2, 2018, 10 a.m.Avaer : they're just another version of a bank
Jan. 2, 2018, 10 a.m.Avaer : reshuffling money
Jan. 2, 2018, 10 a.m.Avaer : and it will become increasingly regulated
Jan. 2, 2018, 10 a.m.tyl_mighty_slash : there is so many business who are totally out of that and who have a really great potentiel because of their quality of production who could be backed up by this new type of income and make it go bigger
Jan. 2, 2018, 10 a.m.Avaer : tyl: I agree in theory
Jan. 2, 2018, 10 a.m.admin : what does the company blockstream do? lots of accusations flying around regarding controlling core
Jan. 2, 2018, 10 a.m.tyl_mighty_slash : yeah so annoying people wanting to make money with nothing valuable
Jan. 2, 2018, 10 a.m.Avaer : in practice it has been tried and does not happen
Jan. 2, 2018, 10:01 a.m.Avaer : the tokens become valueable and then they just become tools of gambling and tax evasion
Jan. 2, 2018, 10:01 a.m.tyl_mighty_slash : yeah ik that its the edge
Jan. 2, 2018, 10:01 a.m.Avaer : so whatever people tried to do with the token gets forgotten
Jan. 2, 2018, 10:01 a.m.Avaer : and that's why I think this is a good idea in theory, but in practice, humans just get greedy
Jan. 2, 2018, 10:01 a.m.tyl_mighty_slash : i mean tokens are selled because of something
Jan. 2, 2018, 10:02 a.m.tyl_mighty_slash : generally a product so what the product is never made and the token are just lost somewhere
Jan. 2, 2018, 10:02 a.m.tyl_mighty_slash : yeah greedyness its the whorse that why its 99 / 1 %
Jan. 2, 2018, 10:02 a.m.Avaer : I used to be interested in this
Jan. 2, 2018, 10:02 a.m.Avaer : but then I realized that this was just banking
Jan. 2, 2018, 10:03 a.m.Avaer : and if you actually wanted to accomplish something other than banking (like me) then you should probably stay away from cryptocurrencies
Jan. 2, 2018, 10:03 a.m.tyl_mighty_slash : im poor for noand come from the poor background so thats why i maybe have all those positives thought about it but yeah i k when i go up into circles you realized thats its just this old animal battle for a piece of meat
Jan. 2, 2018, 10:03 a.m.tyl_mighty_slash : and every tricks is acceptable
Jan. 2, 2018, 10:03 a.m.tyl_mighty_slash : ok well thats good convo tho
Jan. 2, 2018, 10:03 a.m.tyl_mighty_slash : ill stay an optimist because thats what drives me
Jan. 2, 2018, 10:04 a.m.Avaer : I'm also an optimist
Jan. 2, 2018, 10:04 a.m.Avaer : I wouldn't be on my fourth startup after three failures otherwise
Jan. 2, 2018, 10:04 a.m.tyl_mighty_slash : haha failing it the fastest way
Jan. 2, 2018, 10:04 a.m.tyl_mighty_slash : but most of people cant handle it
Jan. 2, 2018, 10:04 a.m.tyl_mighty_slash : i do
Jan. 2, 2018, 10:04 a.m.admin : are you vc funded?
Jan. 2, 2018, 10:04 a.m.hello : <------
Jan. 2, 2018, 10:05 a.m.Avaer : I am not vc funded, never was
Jan. 2, 2018, 10:05 a.m.Avaer : I made it to YC interviews a couple of times
Jan. 2, 2018, 10:05 a.m.admin : that's cool Avaer, how did the yc interviews go?
Jan. 2, 2018, 10:05 a.m.Avaer : I hope so, gay people are some of the nicest I've ever met
Jan. 2, 2018, 10:06 a.m.Avaer : so let's gay it up
Jan. 2, 2018, 10:06 a.m.Avaer : admin: didn't get in to YC
Jan. 2, 2018, 10:07 a.m.admin : let's not talk about any flamewar topics here please, please stick to to tech and startups :)
Jan. 2, 2018, 10:07 a.m.hello : nothing is wrong with this chatroom hater
Jan. 2, 2018, 10:18 a.m.Avaer : bee: probably not taking off because in the US that will get you killed by a mob for being a pedophile
Jan. 2, 2018, 10:18 a.m.tyl_mighty_slash : put thoses two in the same room
Jan. 2, 2018, 10:18 a.m.Avaer : japan has a very different view of sex
Jan. 2, 2018, 10:19 a.m.tyl_mighty_slash : your participation is just useless
Jan. 2, 2018, 10:19 a.m.Avaer : admin: I had some revenue yes
Jan. 2, 2018, 10:19 a.m.Avaer : but nothing sustainable
Jan. 2, 2018, 10:20 a.m.Avaer : I pivoted away when it was clear it wasn't going to be big enough to sustain a company
Jan. 2, 2018, 10:20 a.m.admin : Avaer : in your view what's needed to get to the yc interviews? level of traction? the application etc
Jan. 2, 2018, 10:21 a.m.Avaer : admin: the moist important part is to not need YC
Jan. 2, 2018, 10:21 a.m.Avaer : if you're successful regardless of YC, that's how you get into YC
Jan. 2, 2018, 10:21 a.m.tyl_mighty_slash : controversy but makes sense
Jan. 2, 2018, 10:22 a.m.admin : Avaer : yep
Jan. 2, 2018, 10:23 a.m.tyl_mighty_slash : so dumb
Jan. 2, 2018, 10:23 a.m.Avaer : it's not a trojan if they see it coming
Jan. 2, 2018, 10:24 a.m.Avaer : admin: so my main advice is just make something people want. and forget about YC
Jan. 2, 2018, 10:24 a.m.Avaer : if you do the former, then YC will follow if you want it
Jan. 2, 2018, 10:24 a.m.tyl_mighty_slash : what people whant rn
Jan. 2, 2018, 10:25 a.m.tyl_mighty_slash : im so out of the masses
Jan. 2, 2018, 10:25 a.m.Avaer : what people want is pretty constant
Jan. 2, 2018, 10:25 a.m.tyl_mighty_slash : its always the same reitarated
Jan. 2, 2018, 10:25 a.m.tyl_mighty_slash : new look new feel new me
Jan. 2, 2018, 10:26 a.m.Avaer : indeed
Jan. 2, 2018, 10:26 a.m.tyl_mighty_slash : im just waiting for your next quotes tho
Jan. 2, 2018, 10:26 a.m.tyl_mighty_slash : i just want to takes more and more spot in our screen by going caps
Jan. 2, 2018, 10:27 a.m.Avaer : admin: and here we have the problem
Jan. 2, 2018, 10:28 a.m.tyl_mighty_slash : yep
Jan. 2, 2018, 10:28 a.m.Avaer : when people regress into this nonsense the room is ruined
Jan. 2, 2018, 10:28 a.m.tyl_mighty_slash : get out
Jan. 2, 2018, 10:29 a.m.tyl_mighty_slash : why ur so dumb
Jan. 2, 2018, 10:30 a.m.tyl_mighty_slash : avaer
Jan. 2, 2018, 10:30 a.m.Avaer : yes
Jan. 2, 2018, 10:31 a.m.tyl_mighty_slash : so waht people wnat
Jan. 2, 2018, 10:31 a.m.admin : ok guys, i think spam has started
Jan. 2, 2018, 10:31 a.m.tyl_mighty_slash : this dude
Jan. 2, 2018, 10:31 a.m.admin : admin this a capital A is not me
Jan. 2, 2018, 10:31 a.m.admin : damn
Jan. 2, 2018, 10:31 a.m.tyl_mighty_slash : we know
Jan. 2, 2018, 10:32 a.m.Avaer : people want their physical needs met, they want to relate to other people, they want to feel valued, and they want to feel their life has meaning
Jan. 2, 2018, 10:32 a.m.tyl_mighty_slash : thats a lot
Jan. 2, 2018, 10:32 a.m.admin : tips to fight spam?
Jan. 2, 2018, 10:32 a.m.tyl_mighty_slash : do you have their ips .
Jan. 2, 2018, 10:32 a.m.Avaer : admin: yeah, don't post on 4chan
Jan. 2, 2018, 10:32 a.m.admin : who posted on 4chan?
Jan. 2, 2018, 10:32 a.m.Avaer : not me
Jan. 2, 2018, 10:33 a.m.Avaer : but someone clearly
Jan. 2, 2018, 10:33 a.m.tyl_mighty_slash : i come from hacker news
Jan. 2, 2018, 10:33 a.m.Avaer : same
Jan. 2, 2018, 10:33 a.m.tyl_mighty_slash : but obv some idiot copy paste it
Jan. 2, 2018, 10:33 a.m.tyl_mighty_slash : where
Jan. 2, 2018, 10:34 a.m.tyl_mighty_slash : im patient af
Jan. 2, 2018, 10:34 a.m.Avaer : if there is a god, I hope he's great
Jan. 2, 2018, 10:34 a.m.tyl_mighty_slash : go play call of duty
Jan. 2, 2018, 10:35 a.m.Avaer : tyl: doesn't help to engage
Jan. 2, 2018, 10:35 a.m.Avaer : just ignore
Jan. 2, 2018, 10:36 a.m.tyl_mighty_slash : i had fun talking tech
Jan. 2, 2018, 10:36 a.m.tyl_mighty_slash : but
Jan. 2, 2018, 10:37 a.m.Avaer : we should keep in touch, you sound interesting
Jan. 2, 2018, 10:37 a.m.tyl_mighty_slash : yeah lets do it
Jan. 2, 2018, 10:37 a.m.tyl_mighty_slash : mail orwat ?
Jan. 2, 2018, 10:37 a.m.tyl_mighty_slash : or idk i use everything
Jan. 2, 2018, 10:37 a.m.Avaer : I'm a@modulesio, but I actually run a slack for my company as well
Jan. 2, 2018, 10:37 a.m.tyl_mighty_slash : i can go in if you want
Jan. 2, 2018, 10:37 a.m.Avaer : a@modules.io
Jan. 2, 2018, 10:37 a.m.Avaer : ok sure
Jan. 2, 2018, 10:38 a.m.Avaer : just email me
Jan. 2, 2018, 10:38 a.m.Avaer : and I'll hook you up
Jan. 2, 2018, 12:10 p.m.Avaer : probably nothing to learn from it
Jan. 2, 2018, 12:10 p.m.Avaer : don't worry
Jan. 2, 2018, 12:10 p.m.Avaer : heh, why I find this so interesting is I'm trying to build exactly this kind of thing, except for the next generation of HCI's
Jan. 2, 2018, 12:10 p.m.Avaer : a place to chill with cool people and do cool stuff
Jan. 2, 2018, 12:11 p.m.Avaer : and make a living doing it
Jan. 2, 2018, 12:11 p.m.admin : what's HCI?
Jan. 2, 2018, 12:11 p.m.tyl_mighty_slash : human computer interaction
Jan. 2, 2018, 12:11 p.m.Avaer : human computer interface
Jan. 2, 2018, 12:11 p.m.Avaer : or taht
Jan. 2, 2018, 12:11 p.m.Avaer : yeah
Jan. 2, 2018, 12:11 p.m.tyl_mighty_slash : wtvr
Jan. 2, 2018, 12:12 p.m.Avaer : it's not even a tech problem though
Jan. 2, 2018, 12:12 p.m.Avaer : the tech for all of this is here
Jan. 2, 2018, 12:12 p.m.Avaer : including doing it in virtual worlds
Jan. 2, 2018, 12:12 p.m.Avaer : it's a community building problem
Jan. 2, 2018, 12:13 p.m.tyl_mighty_slash : you want to be really attractive and accessible by being open but you vulnerable
Jan. 2, 2018, 12:14 p.m.Avaer : lol tell me about it
Jan. 2, 2018, 12:14 p.m.Avaer : when I get a flood I pay big dollars for the servers
Jan. 2, 2018, 12:14 p.m.Avaer : and it dies at about 8 people live
Jan. 2, 2018, 12:14 p.m.tyl_mighty_slash : damn
Jan. 2, 2018, 12:14 p.m.admin : I didn't guess that 4chan would shit over my site, always thought it happened to "them"
Jan. 2, 2018, 12:14 p.m.admin : them turned out to be me today
Jan. 2, 2018, 12:14 p.m.tyl_mighty_slash : how many people are on your servers
Jan. 2, 2018, 12:15 p.m.tyl_mighty_slash : well for now were safe
Jan. 2, 2018, 12:21 p.m.admin : I closed the tab without reading. nevermind, probably not worth reading
Jan. 2, 2018, 12:21 p.m.admin : yeah
Jan. 2, 2018, 12:22 p.m.admin : and how did those guys create an account with the same username as tyl?
Jan. 2, 2018, 12:23 p.m.Avaer : probably unicode
Jan. 2, 2018, 12:23 p.m.Avaer : nonprinting chars
Jan. 2, 2018, 12:23 p.m.admin : same usernames are not allowed by the software
Jan. 2, 2018, 12:23 p.m.Avaer : I believe you
Jan. 2, 2018, 12:23 p.m.Avaer : they probably made diff usernames that look the same when printed
Jan. 2, 2018, 12:23 p.m.admin : oh,
Jan. 2, 2018, 12:24 p.m.Avaer : you might want to learn about unicode special characters if this surprised you ;)
Jan. 2, 2018, 12:25 p.m.admin : I've come across them briefly, there was a website impersonating apple.com using special chars. then all the browser vendors fixed the bug
Jan. 2, 2018, 12:25 p.m.admin : I assumed django would have done something about it
Jan. 2, 2018, 12:26 p.m.Avaer : it might be an option to canonicalize
Jan. 2, 2018, 12:26 p.m.Avaer : I dunno, I never used django
Jan. 2, 2018, 12:26 p.m.Avaer : but I worked at microsoft on the SQL compiler
Jan. 2, 2018, 12:26 p.m.Avaer : so I had a taste of the craziness of this area of standards
Jan. 2, 2018, 12:29 p.m.Avaer : admin: I hate to say it but I really don't think there is any value in the chat room itself... or a chat room + forum... or any of that stuff
Jan. 2, 2018, 12:29 p.m.Avaer : you're competing with discord and slack and reddit and other billion dollar companies that do this way better (no offense)
Jan. 2, 2018, 12:29 p.m.tyl_mighty_slash : its just the conversation going inside but she can happen everywhere
Jan. 2, 2018, 12:29 p.m.Avaer : heh I can smell the french in you tyl :)
Jan. 2, 2018, 12:31 p.m.admin : let's see if i can get the community going
Jan. 2, 2018, 12:31 p.m.tyl_mighty_slash : go for it
Jan. 2, 2018, 12:31 p.m.Avaer : admin: lol that isn't how it works
Jan. 2, 2018, 12:31 p.m.Avaer : I'm trying to help here
Jan. 2, 2018, 12:32 p.m.admin : no plans of taking any billion dollar co head on right now. just want to get people to contribute here
Jan. 2, 2018, 12:32 p.m.Avaer : contribute what exactly?
Jan. 2, 2018, 12:32 p.m.admin : like the convo you and tyl had, that brings people back to the site
Jan. 2, 2018, 12:32 p.m.Avaer : I know you're not trying to make money, but you need people to come here instead of discord
Jan. 2, 2018, 12:32 p.m.Avaer : so you are competing
Jan. 2, 2018, 12:33 p.m.Avaer : and that's not a fight you'll win
Jan. 2, 2018, 12:33 p.m.Avaer : when things like this take off it's because they focused on one very niche small thing
Jan. 2, 2018, 12:33 p.m.Avaer : and they were very unique about it
Jan. 2, 2018, 12:33 p.m.Avaer : but on its own there is nothing unique about a chat room
Jan. 2, 2018, 12:33 p.m.admin : what would you suggest I focus on for this?
Jan. 2, 2018, 12:34 p.m.Avaer : add some interesting feature that sets it apart from all other chat rooms
Jan. 2, 2018, 12:34 p.m.Avaer : I already suggested a few
Jan. 2, 2018, 12:34 p.m.Avaer : e.g. if there was a "project of the day" that is the only topic you're allowed to talk about
Jan. 2, 2018, 12:35 p.m.Avaer : then I would *totally* be here every day to see what it was
Jan. 2, 2018, 12:35 p.m.Avaer : and to chat about it
Jan. 2, 2018, 12:35 p.m.Avaer : and maybe help out
Jan. 2, 2018, 12:35 p.m.Avaer : we did this with our VR modules and it worked really well (it's what got is from zero to some revenue)
Jan. 2, 2018, 12:35 p.m.Avaer : got us*
Jan. 2, 2018, 12:36 p.m.admin : ok, so maybe pin a project at the top of the chatroom and have a discussion about it in addition to the general conversation?
Jan. 2, 2018, 12:37 p.m.Avaer : it's just an idea
Jan. 2, 2018, 12:37 p.m.Avaer : whatever you do, you should put effort into it though
Jan. 2, 2018, 12:37 p.m.Avaer : like if you do this project of the day idea it should be posted on socials and so on to attract that specific audience
Jan. 2, 2018, 12:38 p.m.Avaer : once the room becomes too big you can shard it out to multiple rooms
Jan. 2, 2018, 12:38 p.m.Avaer : this is what both Reddit and Product Hunt did
Jan. 2, 2018, 12:38 p.m.Avaer : both were extremely successful
Jan. 2, 2018, 12:38 p.m.Avaer : and they created massive interesting communities in their niches
Jan. 2, 2018, 12:39 p.m.admin : yeah definitely, this was a hacky first version. I literally started the server using nohup python manage.py runserver &
Jan. 2, 2018, 12:39 p.m.Avaer : ;)
Jan. 2, 2018, 12:39 p.m.Avaer : congrats on launching in that case
Jan. 2, 2018, 12:39 p.m.Avaer : but yeah, that's how I would do it -- focus on some unique aspect of the interaction you want to happen
Jan. 2, 2018, 12:40 p.m.Avaer : so when I think "why should I come here instead of some other chat room (I have like 20 tabs of them)", then the answer will be clear
Jan. 2, 2018, 12:40 p.m.Avaer : "bored hackers" is an excellent title to work from
Jan. 2, 2018, 12:41 p.m.Avaer : lol tyl what are you interested in?
Jan. 2, 2018, 12:41 p.m.Avaer : probably not the same things as me
Jan. 2, 2018, 12:41 p.m.tyl_mighty_slash : everything who can stimulate my ideas or just convers about tech world stuff uk
Jan. 2, 2018, 12:41 p.m.tyl_mighty_slash : need inspirations
Jan. 2, 2018, 12:42 p.m.Avaer : for inspiration I generally don't go to chat
Jan. 2, 2018, 12:42 p.m.tyl_mighty_slash : but i like the open acces i mean i could never had some infos that i had here in such a little time anywhere that i know
Jan. 2, 2018, 12:42 p.m.Avaer : yeah but interesting people in chat is pretty rare I've found
Jan. 2, 2018, 12:42 p.m.tyl_mighty_slash : i dont really pass hours reading post on websites like reddit i prefer to convers
Jan. 2, 2018, 12:43 p.m.tyl_mighty_slash : ok well do you have something going on on thoses 20 tabs
Jan. 2, 2018, 12:43 p.m.Avaer : yeah but nothing "inspiring"
Jan. 2, 2018, 12:43 p.m.tyl_mighty_slash : i mean i get it interesting people maybe dont have time like us to chill there
Jan. 2, 2018, 12:43 p.m.Avaer : I mostly keep them to keep tabs on community pulses that are important for my company
Jan. 2, 2018, 12:43 p.m.tyl_mighty_slash : gotcha
Jan. 2, 2018, 12:43 p.m.Avaer : for inspiration I listen to audiobooks, or put on talks in the background
Jan. 2, 2018, 12:44 p.m.Avaer : I'm always listening to something while I code
Jan. 2, 2018, 12:46 p.m.Avaer : how old are you til?
Jan. 2, 2018, 12:46 p.m.Avaer : If you don't mind me asking
Jan. 2, 2018, 12:46 p.m.Avaer : tyl*
Jan. 2, 2018, 12:47 p.m.tyl_mighty_slash : 28 np
Jan. 2, 2018, 12:47 p.m.tyl_mighty_slash : yea i do sometimes mostly music tho
Jan. 2, 2018, 12:48 p.m.Avaer : cool, I'm just a couple years older
Jan. 2, 2018, 12:48 p.m.Avaer : lots of music on my end too
Jan. 2, 2018, 12:48 p.m.Avaer : sometimes I do both
Jan. 2, 2018, 12:48 p.m.Avaer : music plus book
Jan. 2, 2018, 12:59 p.m.admin : A quick note to people new here : registration is closed for now because of 4chan trolls. Once I have basic anti-spam measures up, registration will be reopened.
Jan. 2, 2018, 1 p.m.admin : In the mean time, you can browse the chat history by scrolling up and clicking on the "Load previous messages" button
Jan. 2, 2018, 1:01 p.m.admin : Users who already have accounts can continue sending messages
Jan. 2, 2018, 1:08 p.m.admin : 1300 normal messages (not counting the thousands of spam messages from 4chan) were sent in the past 24 hours, not a bad start.
Jan. 2, 2018, 1:10 p.m.Avaer : I'm not sure if that's the right thing to measure
Jan. 2, 2018, 1:12 p.m.Avaer : one thing YC teaches is to measure the right things, because you end up building what you measure
Jan. 2, 2018, 1:12 p.m.Avaer : would having tons of messages make bored hackers better/meet its goals?
Jan. 2, 2018, 1:13 p.m.Avaer : just some food for thought :P
Jan. 2, 2018, 1:13 p.m.Avaer : 4chan is exploding with messages and it's the scum of the internet, haha
Jan. 2, 2018, 1:14 p.m.admin : haha, tell me about 4chan.
Jan. 2, 2018, 1:15 p.m.admin : no. of messages was just a random stat. What do you think I should focus on?
Jan. 2, 2018, 1:15 p.m.admin : no. of interesting convos? no. of active users?
Jan. 2, 2018, 1:16 p.m.Avaer : well it's pretty early to measure but active (returning) users is probably a better indicator of a good discussion place
Jan. 2, 2018, 1:16 p.m.Avaer : you could also measure convos but that's much harder to do
Jan. 2, 2018, 1:20 p.m.admin : surprised to see 20 users total still on this chat room, looks like interesting convos are key
Jan. 2, 2018, 1:20 p.m.Avaer : people need something to talk about, that's why I suggested the topic thing
Jan. 2, 2018, 1:21 p.m.Avaer : and/or project
Jan. 2, 2018, 1:21 p.m.Avaer : "what are you working on" is a very popular HN thing
Jan. 2, 2018, 1:22 p.m.Avaer : I think there's room for some place (like bored hackers) to be the place for that
Jan. 2, 2018, 1:22 p.m.admin : Thinking about the implementation, should I have a pinned message at the top saying : Today's topic : what do you want to know about bitcoin or what are you working on?
Jan. 2, 2018, 1:23 p.m.Avaer : I'd keep it to one thing, not two or more
Jan. 2, 2018, 1:23 p.m.admin : yeah one per day
Jan. 2, 2018, 1:23 p.m.Avaer : and you know how people do show hn's?
Jan. 2, 2018, 1:24 p.m.Avaer : it could be like that, but for a specific project/topic for that day or whatever
Jan. 2, 2018, 1:24 p.m.Avaer : of course you'd need to choose good topics
Jan. 2, 2018, 1:24 p.m.Avaer : but if you did, I would come back for the discussion
Jan. 2, 2018, 1:25 p.m.Avaer : that's why HN is so awesome, the discussion is always great
Jan. 2, 2018, 1:25 p.m.Avaer : even thou gh the site has like zero features
Jan. 2, 2018, 1:25 p.m.Avaer : they are also brutal with moderation
Jan. 2, 2018, 1:26 p.m.admin : yeah. so let's say I decide on a topic : what do you want to learn about bitcoin, how do I get users to come here and start a conversation? Maybe personally invite users, find out what questions they have, create a list of questions and get some experts to spare a few minutes giving answers?
Jan. 2, 2018, 1:27 p.m.Avaer : I like the experts idea
Jan. 2, 2018, 1:27 p.m.Avaer : it's a bit of a chicken/egg problem though
Jan. 2, 2018, 1:27 p.m.admin : the chicken and egg problem with starting a community
Jan. 2, 2018, 1:27 p.m.Avaer : hahah :)
Jan. 2, 2018, 1:27 p.m.Avaer : we're on the same page
Jan. 2, 2018, 1:27 p.m.admin : yep
Jan. 2, 2018, 1:28 p.m.Avaer : also... I would actually avoid "controversial" topics
Jan. 2, 2018, 1:28 p.m.admin : so at the end of each day I can take what I learned and turn it into a blog post, so it's a way to repeatedly drive traffic to the site
Jan. 2, 2018, 1:28 p.m.Avaer : hmmm yeah that could definitely work
Jan. 2, 2018, 1:28 p.m.Avaer : I'd sign up for that
Jan. 2, 2018, 1:29 p.m.admin : I won't touch controversial topics with a 100 foot pole. god, realtime + controversial == total shitshow
Jan. 2, 2018, 1:29 p.m.Avaer : it's all about the quality of discussion though; that's a nightmare of a problem to solve
Jan. 2, 2018, 1:29 p.m.Avaer : and I don't just mean 4chan spammers
Jan. 2, 2018, 1:30 p.m.Avaer : but even things like "bitcoin" are loaded and often lead to pointless debate
Jan. 2, 2018, 1:30 p.m.Avaer : or tabs vs spaces
Jan. 2, 2018, 1:30 p.m.Avaer : HN actually kills such things off the front page because it's bad for the community
Jan. 2, 2018, 1:31 p.m.admin : so this is a great idea to start with : pick a good technical topic -> invite users -> find out all their questions/misconceptions -> talk to experts to answer questions -> turn into a discussion
Jan. 2, 2018, 1:31 p.m.Avaer : that sounds like hard work
Jan. 2, 2018, 1:31 p.m.admin : getting experts to hang out here is hard, but I could probably get them to answer questions over email
Jan. 2, 2018, 1:32 p.m.admin : I'll keep it small to start with, invite 10 new users every day max
Jan. 2, 2018, 1:32 p.m.Avaer : well the point of chat is that the experts are there in real time, that's a lot of the value
Jan. 2, 2018, 1:33 p.m.admin : that's hard to do, but the discussion between people interested in the topic could work
Jan. 2, 2018, 1:33 p.m.Avaer : yeah
Jan. 2, 2018, 1:33 p.m.Avaer : the "invite users" part can probably be more organic
Jan. 2, 2018, 1:33 p.m.admin : that's what hn is in some ways, lots of non-experts talking about interesting topics.
Jan. 2, 2018, 1:34 p.m.Avaer : a lot of them are experts too
Jan. 2, 2018, 1:34 p.m.admin : so what suggestions do you have for topics?
Jan. 2, 2018, 1:34 p.m.Avaer : literally world experts
Jan. 2, 2018, 1:34 p.m.Avaer : I dunno, I'm an extreme outlier and probably a terrible source of topics
Jan. 2, 2018, 1:35 p.m.admin : regarding hn, definitely, but more often than not experts don't participate. eg- bitcoin related discussions are filled with downright wrong info
Jan. 2, 2018, 1:35 p.m.nobody : Just joining back in this morning. I realized it would be nice to see what I missed overnight.
Jan. 2, 2018, 1:36 p.m.Avaer : hi nobody
Jan. 2, 2018, 1:36 p.m.admin : nobody : you missed a spam attack from 4chan trolls, seriously
Jan. 2, 2018, 1:36 p.m.admin : I've disabled registration because of the trolls
Jan. 2, 2018, 1:36 p.m.Avaer : yeah the controversial topics, the experts care about debating, because they've already debated it 20 times already
Jan. 2, 2018, 1:36 p.m.Avaer : don't care about debating*
Jan. 2, 2018, 1:36 p.m.nobody : Good morning Avaer
Jan. 2, 2018, 1:37 p.m.admin : so suggest any topic, I'll see what I can do. preferably something of general interest, like debunking bitcoin myths
Jan. 2, 2018, 1:37 p.m.nobody : Ahh, that sucks about the trolls. I was actually thinking about that last night. Need a way to keep people real
Jan. 2, 2018, 1:38 p.m.Avaer : as for topics, I would much rather contribute as an "expert" in certain areas
Jan. 2, 2018, 1:39 p.m.Avaer : I've been hacking for over 20 years in all sorts of areas so I have scars and lessons to share in some things
Jan. 2, 2018, 1:39 p.m.Avaer : but I don't know what people are interested in learning more about
Jan. 2, 2018, 1:39 p.m.admin : Avaer : what topics are you an expert on?
Jan. 2, 2018, 1:40 p.m.Avaer : compilers, graphics, cryptography, cryptocurrencies, operating systems, virtual machines, internet architecture, audio engineering, history of video games
Jan. 2, 2018, 1:40 p.m.Avaer : those are some things I've spent years on
Jan. 2, 2018, 1:41 p.m.admin : damn, so many users on the site, no way to contact them. People watching this chat, send me an email ploggingdev @ gmail
Jan. 2, 2018, 1:41 p.m.admin : I'll send you an invite by tomorrow
Jan. 2, 2018, 1:42 p.m.admin : Avaer : you're familiar with bitcoin to answer all the common questions people have?
Jan. 2, 2018, 1:43 p.m.Avaer : if people want to know "should I buy bitcoin" I'm not the person to ask :P
Jan. 2, 2018, 1:43 p.m.admin : like what's segwit? how lightning network works? why fees are so high? how much does the average transaction fee cost with and without segwit?
Jan. 2, 2018, 1:44 p.m.Avaer : those are actually very loaded questions
Jan. 2, 2018, 1:44 p.m.Avaer : and the last two are highly political/speculative
Jan. 2, 2018, 1:45 p.m.admin : under what circustances will core raise the blockchain limit? some general questions about trading bitcoin and also bitcoin cash. what happened with xt, unlimited ,s2x and the ddos attacks
Jan. 2, 2018, 1:45 p.m.admin : not in the same post, but maybe in parts
Jan. 2, 2018, 1:45 p.m.Avaer : e.g. fees aren't high for any technical reason, but a social one -- driven by the chinese economy
Jan. 2, 2018, 1:46 p.m.Avaer : and asking wehn core will raise the block size is also mostly a political question that people argue incessantly over
Jan. 2, 2018, 1:46 p.m.admin : how much does a 250kb transaction cost with segwit and without by referencing transactions on the blockchain
Jan. 2, 2018, 1:47 p.m.Avaer : a transaction doesn't cost -- the network is just so clogged that in practice miners don't accept your transaction without a ridiculous fee
Jan. 2, 2018, 1:48 p.m.admin : I'm just asking the type of questions that frequently come up, if you can answer these questions, then I think I found the first expert to start the bored hackers experiment
Jan. 2, 2018, 1:48 p.m.Avaer : segwit is just an attempt at slightly reducing the clogging
Jan. 2, 2018, 1:48 p.m.Avaer : I can, but I really think these are bad questions
Jan. 2, 2018, 1:48 p.m.Avaer : I've fielded them before and I can smell the arguments brewing
Jan. 2, 2018, 1:49 p.m.Avaer : this is like a prime example of a topic HN will kill off the home page
Jan. 2, 2018, 1:49 p.m.admin : these questions keep coming in btc related discussions, so if you present all the different view points, that's good starting point
Jan. 2, 2018, 1:50 p.m.admin : btc discussions are rarely killed off, I'll talk to the mods to confirm
Jan. 2, 2018, 1:50 p.m.Avaer : it's not the BTC discussions that get killed
Jan. 2, 2018, 1:50 p.m.Avaer : it'
Jan. 2, 2018, 1:50 p.m.Avaer : it's just when they devolved into political arguments
Jan. 2, 2018, 1:51 p.m.Avaer : there's a controversial tripwire they have
Jan. 2, 2018, 1:51 p.m.admin : as long as there's new technical info and new insights, it should be fine. If you're down to be interviewed as an expert, I can send you the questions maybe tomorrow
Jan. 2, 2018, 1:51 p.m.admin : down?
Jan. 2, 2018, 1:52 p.m.Avaer : is that the format though? some emailed questions?
Jan. 2, 2018, 1:52 p.m.Avaer : why would people want to hear what I have to say when it can just be googled?
Jan. 2, 2018, 1:54 p.m.admin : once I send you the questions it should make sense, but the short version is debunking common myths about understanding btc. I'm sure people will be interested.
Jan. 2, 2018, 1:54 p.m.Avaer : alright sure, I can do that
Jan. 2, 2018, 1:55 p.m.Avaer : what I can't do is go into things like future predictions and investment advice
Jan. 2, 2018, 1:55 p.m.admin : to the users watching this chat, send me an email ploggingdev @ gmail I can create an account for you. One user already sent me an email.
Jan. 2, 2018, 1:55 p.m.admin : No questions about price prediction, should I invest, should I sell my house and car etc. more technical questions
Jan. 2, 2018, 1:56 p.m.Avaer : then sure sign me up
Jan. 2, 2018, 2 p.m.admin : done
Jan. 2, 2018, 2:04 p.m.admin : so this is the first topic, I'll probably post it to my personal blog at https://www.ploggingdev.com/ and once I build a blogging feature here, I'll post it here
Jan. 2, 2018, 2:04 p.m.admin : sounds good?
Jan. 2, 2018, 2:07 p.m.admin : 17 people watching this chat : registration has been disabled because of 4chan trolls. If you want an invite to join this chat, send me an email ploggingdev @ gmail
Jan. 2, 2018, 2:10 p.m.admin : going offline for a while, you can browse the chat history (1500 messages) by scrolling to the top and clicking on "load previous messages"
Jan. 2, 2018, 2:37 p.m.admin : WhiskeyCrow requested an invite and joined the chatroom, you can too. if you want an invite send an email to ploggingdev @ gmail
Jan. 2, 2018, 2:39 p.m.WhiskeyCrow : Can confirm
Jan. 2, 2018, 3:51 p.m.nobody : admin: what kind of anti-spam measures are you planning to implement?
Jan. 2, 2018, 3:52 p.m.admin : nobody : recaptcha required to signup, rate limited chat messages (each user can send maybe 10 messages per minute)
Jan. 2, 2018, 3:53 p.m.admin : maybe integrate an anti-spam api like akismet
Jan. 2, 2018, 3:53 p.m.nobody : Sounds good. Perhaps some kind of email (or other) validation, although that might add more barriers than you want
Jan. 2, 2018, 3:54 p.m.nobody : I really like the idea of having an open chat, but that's probably not realistic these days. Maybe if it were 25 years ago. :-)
Jan. 2, 2018, 3:55 p.m.admin : maybe at a later point. right now I'll keep the chat invite only - that's the best ant-spam measure, and grow the community organically
Jan. 2, 2018, 3:56 p.m.admin : as long as users act in good faith, open chats can be wonderful. there were lots of fascinating discussions on this chatroom
Jan. 2, 2018, 3:56 p.m.admin : and I literally put up this site 24 hours ago
Jan. 2, 2018, 3:57 p.m.admin : did you get a chance to read the chat history?
Jan. 2, 2018, 3:58 p.m.nobody : I scanned it when I sat down at work, but didn't get into the details
Jan. 2, 2018, 3:58 p.m.nobody : What I'm really looking for is something like what IRC was in the early days
Jan. 2, 2018, 3:59 p.m.admin : lots of fascinating discussions, if you have some time, take a look. were you there when the 4chan trolls were doing their thing?
Jan. 2, 2018, 3:59 p.m.admin : nobody : hopefully this can be what IRC was like in the early days
Jan. 2, 2018, 3:59 p.m.nobody : And by "early days", I mean ~1994
Jan. 2, 2018, 4 p.m.nobody : I missed the 4chan trolls. I signed up right before midnight US/eastern time and then went to sleep
Jan. 2, 2018, 4:06 p.m.admin : one of the ideas I discussed with Avaer was to have dialy topic (eg - common myths about bitcoin) and invite people to ask their questions here in the chat. I'll consolidate the questions and send them over to Avaer, who will answer the questions. I'll publish the answers in the form of a blog post and people can continue discussing the content in the chat. It's a good way to repeatedly drive traffic to this chatroom
Jan. 2, 2018, 4:06 p.m.admin : invite users -> have them discuss a topic -> talk to expert about the topic -> publish a blog post -> drive traffic to the chatroom
Jan. 2, 2018, 4:07 p.m.admin : it's hard to sustain this chatroom if new users aren't joining and new discussions don't take place
Jan. 2, 2018, 4:07 p.m.admin : even now 14 people are on this chatroom, I suspect the interesting discussions are the reason
Jan. 2, 2018, 4:08 p.m.admin : Reminder : I disabled new user registration because of 4chan trolls. If you want an invite send an email to ploggingdev @ gmail
Jan. 2, 2018, 9:56 p.m.tyl_mighty_slash : what if this make this chat a 24 / 24 nodejs channel im building something buy started with koa it runs pretty smoothly but even if there is one person posting all day about his project it can be something